Jeff Grant

They were beautiful, beautiful people.

And almost everything I learned about like criminal justice and,

And it was right across the street from the nonprofit that I was on the board of directors of.

So almost everything I learned about criminal justice and I learned about the plight of the oppressed and what happens in these marginalized communities, and especially in communities where they have like an embodied relationship with the criminal justice system.

It's like, you know, you come from the suburbs, nobody goes to prison.

But in these neighborhoods, like a lot of people go to prison.

It's just part of the culture, unfortunately.

Like that's a problem you want to have.

It's brilliant.

And what people don't know about being in prison is that it's really a community in there.

And for those of us who for years were in isolation and we're looking over our shoulders and we're doing all kinds of crazy stuff.

The first real, I mean, I had community because I had gone into AA, but there's a real community in prison and you kind of learn how to live together in this community.

So I'm learning now.

I mean, I'm actually like a minister.

I became baptized while I was in seminary.

So now I'm considering myself a Jew and a Christian.

I consider myself a double belonger.

I don't know if that's cool with anybody else, but it's cool with me.

And I'm learning like, you know, these are people who have like no resources.

They have no money.