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Jeff Guo

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Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

And so the idea is that I'm a power plant operator.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

And even if nobody is buying my energy, I'm still going to get this revenue stream just for being willing to supply power on those peak demand days, just to say I'm ready to, if you need it.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

It's hard to stress enough how weird the capacity market is.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

So PGM will try to model how much power the region is going to need three years out into the future.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

And then it will hold an auction where it will determine how much power plants should be paid for promising to be available in case they are needed on that one super hot day when everyone turns on their AC.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Local power distributors basically have to pay power plant operators just for existing, whether or not those power plants ever generate any actual power to sell.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

So it was relatively easy for power generators to keep up with any demand growth.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

But Kathy says the moment when a kajillion data centers showed up and started wanting more and more and more power, things really broke down.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

It turned out the capacity market was not great at dealing with this kind of scenario.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

The amount local utilities across PJM had to shell out went up by $12 billion in one year.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Again, not to actually buy any electricity, just to guarantee that there would even be enough electricity to buy in the future.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

And that $12 billion extra, it got spread out across the electric bills of all the customers in the PGM region, including Ken and Carol in Ohio.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Yeah, remember, what an energy company is selling in the capacity market is its ability to supply power whenever demand is at its peak.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

And solar panels, they cannot generate power at night.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Wind turbines can't make much power on calm days.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

In an email, a PJM spokesperson said, "...this narrative is old and it's no longer true, that PJM had done a good job clearing the backlog of power plants waiting to connect."

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

But the experts I spoke to said it was still a problem.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Kathy says it's important to keep in mind why all of this is happening.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

A bunch of tech companies are in a big hurry to build data centers, which is creating a huge surge in demand for power.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

For some of those projects, companies are building their own on-site power plants.