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Jeff Guo

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

It's called Lloyd's of London.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And the folks at Lloyd's, they're kind of famous for selling, you know, unusual kinds of insurance.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Like they're the ones who insured Bruce Springsteen's voice and also David Beckham's legs.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

No.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

One problem was that Karen's models, they were saying something scary, that the whole industry was vastly underestimating the risk of hurricanes.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

So it wasn't just the folks at Lloyd's who were skeptical.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

A lot of people were.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Karen's company had a handful of clients at the time who were paying her to predict how much damage this was all going to cause.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Karen says everybody in the industry, they were predicting, at worst, this is a $7 billion hurricane.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

But not $13 billion.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

That's right.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

In the end, Karen's model was pretty close to the mark.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

Did you get any like apology faxes saying like, sorry, we doubted you?

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

A lot more customers.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And at the same time, the reinsurers, like the folks at Lloyd's, they were realizing, oh, no, this hurricane reinsurance is actually a really dangerous market to be in.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

But even with those higher prices, there still wasn't enough reinsurance to go around.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

By the late 90s, the whole insurance industry was facing this shortage of reinsurance.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And this, this is the defining moment, not just for Karen, but for the whole insurance industry, because this is the moment when the catastrophe bond is born.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

A catastrophe bond is basically a way for insurance companies to sidestep the reinsurance industry, to get reinsurance not from reinsurance companies, but from a much broader pool of people, from investors.

Planet Money
How hurricanes became a hot investment

And here we should take a minute to explain how these catastrophe bonds or cat bonds actually work from the point of view of the investors.