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Jeff Guo

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Cameron Ali is in charge of a big chunk of that grid of power lines across 11 states.

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

When Cameron closes his eyes, he says he can visualize the whole thing.

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

In your mind, is it colors or is it black and white?

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Cameron told us to think of the grid as like the highway system, but for power.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

If you want to send more power to new data centers, you have to build new lanes and new on-ramps and new off-ramps.

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Which means that not only are Ken and Carol paying for the new black and red and green power lines that serve data centers in Ohio, they're also paying for power lines for data centers being planned in...

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

You know, West Virginia and Indiana.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

And Cameron says there is just so much demand for new power.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Add that to the 10 or 20% estimate for the distribution part of the increase, and you still have over half the price jump unaccounted for.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

So what's to blame for that biggest part of their increased bill?

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

That's after the break.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

OK, so far, we've talked about the way data centers might be increasing electricity prices for our retired couple, Ken and Carol, in two ways.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Distribution, sort of the last mile of bringing power to them, and transmission, bringing electricity along high voltage lines from power plants to their area.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Together, those two account for something like 30 or 40 percent of the increase in their electricity prices.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Okay, time for a classic podcast move.

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Jeff, to understand this piece of it, we actually have to go back in time a few decades.

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Back then, in a lot of places, including in Ohio, utility companies were in charge of the entire process of getting electricity to customers.

Planet Money
What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

So generation, transmission, and distribution, all vertically integrated in one utility.

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

So some companies would be in charge of distribution.

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What AI data centers are doing to your electric bill

Other companies would be in charge of transmission.