Jeff McGregor

So if we're just going to make this arbitrary mark and say it's two phases, we're not going to go back any further, but everyone saw that there was a knock-on.

Why are we not looking at the knock-on?

Because...

It's to the Chiefs' favour that this took place.

I'm sure that the Chiefs would have been incandescent with rage if that try had been scored, if they hadn't had the foot out and the line-out had been formed, right?

So it's kind of like both.

You get the rub of the green sometimes.

In this case, the Chiefs got the rub of the green because they absolutely knocked it off.

Clearly it's a knock-on.

Right in front of their own try line.

Amateur hour type stuff, but they got the try.

So, you know, but I think that the Crusaders, you know, they came out in the end.

If they hadn't won, I reckon that would be a lot bigger of a talking point.

Well, if we'd wind it back a wee bit, there was an article and stuff that you had sent me as well that they had had a discussion about the third round and how he was going to approach it and that there was a lot of heat in that game.

And I think obviously consciously he was going into it and he didn't want it.

You'll see earlier in the match that one of the Chiefs players actually ruffles the head of a Crusaders player once they score.

And that is definitely egging things on.

And it wasn't called at the time, but that's the sort of nonsense that's going to create the handbags and the ongoing stuff.

Absolutely.

I feel that he's actually frustrated when he's giving this message.