Jeff McTainsh

And, um, chucked it in and sent it off to Marcus Kennedy.

And, um, and yeah, a couple of weeks later I got a call from the producer of the college rugby and he said, would you like to come in and call some college footy?

So that's how, that's how it kind of started.

Yeah.

It was pretty daunting.

Like I, um, I'd had a good chat with, with a few people about, I guess the ins and outs of, of calling and observing people and how they did things.

And Ken Laban was, was really, really helpful.

Um,

in the early stages in terms of, you know, watching how he did things, how he did his preparation for games, his notes.

And so there were some fundamental things there early that I realised were super important, getting your pronunciation correct.

But a lot of it just developed over time.

But early on it was a game, I remember it was Mahurangi was playing up north and Stephen Bates was on with me.

And, yeah, we kind of just went for it and had a crack and,

Um, yeah, it was, it was good fun.

So from there, from college, college rugby, I think that same year in 2020, I started calling NPC.

Oh yeah.

And the first game I did was Otago, Auckland down at, uh, Forsyth Bar.

Um, so it was a, it was a crazy first year and it was, it was, it was a good one to be involved with early college rugby because, um, you know, there's not a ton of information available.

So you really have to do your homework and, and dig in and sort of see what's going on.

And it was a good way to start.