Jeff McTainsh

So your second voice, third voice, people have played the game, you're experts.

And I think actually the best balance is probably having someone who's played in the backs and someone who's played in the forwards.

Oh yeah.

So in and around set piece, if you've got someone on your team that's been a type five forward

I can just speak to those moments because, you know, we have games where, you know, we have reset upon reset and you can only say front row angling in like on how many times, right?

Two or three times before it gets pretty repetitive.

So having someone like Ben Castle or Jipper or James Parsons or whoever it is that can sort of jump in there and I guess speak to that a little bit more and educate the fan base as to kind of what's happening is key.

I think I've, like I've, I've been stoked with the opportunities that have come my way already.

Like it's been, uh, it's been, been an amazing sort of five or six years.

Um.

I really, I've really enjoyed the MPC that we had the opportunity to call because that's kind of where I got the bug for footy as well.

As I said, growing up in Dunedin, used to go along too.

So you play your junior rugby in the morning out on the beach of Pirates or wherever you're playing.

then you go along and watch otago play and then um these are in the days with no cell phones just showing my age a little bit here uh you'd have to come back and watch the um the replay on tv to just sort of see see see that try that that goldie had scored in the corner so um so your npc's npc's been special because it's just been a been a massive part of my life and i know that there's so many people out there that love that prefer that to other competitions but um

As I say, the variety's been big, but calling Test Footy has been, I guess, an organic process.

It's been one thing to the next, and I always just tried, mate, to turn up each week and do the best job I could, and if that was going to lead to something like calling the All Blacks or the Black Ferns, then so be it, and it did lead to that, and

And now I guess you just want to be doing those big matches and having some fun with it.

So yeah, South Africa, obviously the tour is just around the corner.

That's going to be huge.

Massive tour for the All Blacks ahead of a World Cup next year.