Jeff Melnick

But the Manson family, like they're weirdos and losers. And yes, you know what I mean? They're in death. That like, it's, it's not a nice place to be. Right. And they're busted out there and they're, they're like fishing about like, like they're not hard to find there. Nobody else is living at it. They're not sophisticated criminals is basically not sophisticated criminals. Yeah, that's it.

But the Manson family, like they're weirdos and losers. And yes, you know what I mean? They're in death. That like, it's, it's not a nice place to be. Right. And they're busted out there and they're, they're like fishing about like, like they're not hard to find there. Nobody else is living at it. They're not sophisticated criminals is basically not sophisticated criminals. Yeah, that's it.

But the Manson family, like they're weirdos and losers. And yes, you know what I mean? They're in death. That like, it's, it's not a nice place to be. Right. And they're busted out there and they're, they're like fishing about like, like they're not hard to find there. Nobody else is living at it. They're not sophisticated criminals is basically not sophisticated criminals. Yeah, that's it.

That's it. And they're easy to bust and they're easy to prosecute because they're, you know, messed up on drugs among other things, but they're not career criminals. They're not, you know, um, and, and they're easily found and, and they're easily brought to trial and they're easily convicted.

That's it. And they're easy to bust and they're easy to prosecute because they're, you know, messed up on drugs among other things, but they're not career criminals. They're not, you know, um, and, and they're easily found and, and they're easily brought to trial and they're easily convicted.

That's it. And they're easy to bust and they're easy to prosecute because they're, you know, messed up on drugs among other things, but they're not career criminals. They're not, you know, um, and, and they're easily found and, and they're easily brought to trial and they're easily convicted.

That's great. And one of the reasons I, you know, I called my book creepy crawling and we haven't talked about this yet is that the crime that they committed most often was what they called creepy crawling.

That's great. And one of the reasons I, you know, I called my book creepy crawling and we haven't talked about this yet is that the crime that they committed most often was what they called creepy crawling.

That's great. And one of the reasons I, you know, I called my book creepy crawling and we haven't talked about this yet is that the crime that they committed most often was what they called creepy crawling.

You know, the family would go into a house of somebody that they could get at near Chatsworth and they'd literally go into, while the family was sleeping, they'd go in the house and rearrange the furniture. And this is just like psychological warfare. Like the family would wake up and know someone had been in the house, but not be able to figure out why or what they wanted, right?

You know, the family would go into a house of somebody that they could get at near Chatsworth and they'd literally go into, while the family was sleeping, they'd go in the house and rearrange the furniture. And this is just like psychological warfare. Like the family would wake up and know someone had been in the house, but not be able to figure out why or what they wanted, right?

You know, the family would go into a house of somebody that they could get at near Chatsworth and they'd literally go into, while the family was sleeping, they'd go in the house and rearrange the furniture. And this is just like psychological warfare. Like the family would wake up and know someone had been in the house, but not be able to figure out why or what they wanted, right?

And that to me became like the guiding metaphor for what the Manson family has done to us. Like we can't get them, like they're in our heads. Like they're rearranging our furniture. Like we can't like- Wow, she looks like just a normal teenage girl. She did what? Oh, interesting. And that's the metaphor for me that we can't get done with.

And that to me became like the guiding metaphor for what the Manson family has done to us. Like we can't get them, like they're in our heads. Like they're rearranging our furniture. Like we can't like- Wow, she looks like just a normal teenage girl. She did what? Oh, interesting. And that's the metaphor for me that we can't get done with.

And that to me became like the guiding metaphor for what the Manson family has done to us. Like we can't get them, like they're in our heads. Like they're rearranging our furniture. Like we can't like- Wow, she looks like just a normal teenage girl. She did what? Oh, interesting. And that's the metaphor for me that we can't get done with.

We're still trying to figure out how this happened and what happened to families that our daughters were so vulnerable to this. That's what they were so good at, just getting in our houses, getting in our minds.

We're still trying to figure out how this happened and what happened to families that our daughters were so vulnerable to this. That's what they were so good at, just getting in our houses, getting in our minds.

We're still trying to figure out how this happened and what happened to families that our daughters were so vulnerable to this. That's what they were so good at, just getting in our houses, getting in our minds.

Yeah, absolutely. And that was really what got me started in during the research was this realization that like every, it felt like every couple months there would be, I'd hear a song or I'd see a new documentary or there'd be a new bit of visual culture. There was this great series of photographs of Barker Ranch that some European photographer did, a real art project.

Yeah, absolutely. And that was really what got me started in during the research was this realization that like every, it felt like every couple months there would be, I'd hear a song or I'd see a new documentary or there'd be a new bit of visual culture. There was this great series of photographs of Barker Ranch that some European photographer did, a real art project.