Jeff Schoep

So eventually, after 2019 rolls around, I was like, I just have to get away from this.

This is not right.

I can't fix this.

Not so good.

Not so good.

You can leave these organizations, and it depends.

Different groups operate different ways.

What I was involved in was above ground, so it was mostly legal.

You've got underground groups that operate a little bit differently.

They'll come after you and things like that.

You can leave, but if you walk away and you speak out against it, you're deemed like a traitor, basically, to that cause.

So I knew that was going to happen when I started speaking out, so I didn't speak out immediately, but

by the end of late 2019, it was August or September of 19, I started speaking out and denounced the movement, denounced racism.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

By that time, I was already out.

And so how were you denouncing the movement and where were you doing this?

I did a press release and a website and made it public because that would be seen and understood.

You know, there's always those concerns, but I don't try to dwell on those things.

I was in a high-stress, dangerous environment for a lot of years, so this is just another kind of high-stress environment.