Jeff Schoep

So there's multiple times people tried to kill you?

I've been shot at.

Yeah.

I've had stabbing.

People tried to stab me, too.

Well, I mean, we were wearing the symbols everywhere, like, I mean, flight jackets with swastika patches and stuff like that.

So, I mean, that was going to be a—that was pretty volatile, especially in different neighborhoods.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It really is different for everybody, but usually it doesn't happen like a snap of a finger.

You know, like I could, you know, like we were talking about hundreds of people have left the movement.

I can think of just like on one hand, the people that have left over like one act of kindness or one one simple thing.

Very few people do that.

It's usually a process.

So they're going through this shift in thinking kind of like I was.

And they're they're questioning it.

They're questioning like, well,

There's a lot of cognitive dissonance.

There's a lot of confirmation bias that takes place.

And they're having experiences sometimes with people of other races that helps, you know, where it doesn't fit the narrative of the movement, what's being spewed.