Jeff Schoep

those people would be naturally looked at for leadership positions in the party because they had those skills.

Right, but how did they try to recruit military people?

So using the same tactics as everybody else, but as far as the organization specifically...

Having that military structure, like we discussed earlier, having that structure gave them soul.

Somebody that was coming out of the military that was retired or something like that, it would provide that structure that they were missing.

So a lot of times for people that are involved in this stuff, it's fulfilling a psychological need.

It's being part of a mission.

It's having something that's driving them, a driving force that's behind their...

ideology so finding a place to fit in having having a mission a sense of purpose um i think it's a lot of things a lot of times people miss that aspect of it and i explain it not to excuse it because there is no excuse for it these are choices that people make but if you understand the psychology of it like why someone's involved in it that's helpful to help pull them out and also when someone's coming out of these organizations to have

a new mission, have something else.

So for a lot of people that might be learning to play guitar or doing an extreme sport or getting involved with the church or just, it could be anything, but there has to be something.

Because if they're missing that, that's when they really struggle.

That's one thing I've seen a lot of.

A lot of times just kind of asking them questions, you know, asking a lot of questions and seeing what they're interested in and finding those things, trying to help them find that sense of purpose and that purpose.

Because that's missing.

So I've had a lot of people say, like, when they've left, they're like, I don't have that.

I don't have that.

So a lot of times we'll talk through that.

Well, what interests you?

What are you interested in?