Jeff Schoep

And then you'd have applications coming in from new recruits that would see it on the news.

So these groups are always manipulating

the media, some of the rallies that I organized were at places like Valley Forge, Yorktown, Virginia, historic places that you could use those elements and it would guarantee the press or downtown LA at the city hall or marching on DC, places that would guarantee a lot of press and just like Darryl said, it wasn't necessarily to recruit people in those areas, it was to whip up chaos because that would benefit these groups.

Nowadays, it's a double-edged sword, the media, because these groups before, like I was discussing earlier, you had to kind of search them out or a recruiter had to find you or something like that.

It wasn't easy to find.

Now, a fourth grader can click on a website and go find these groups.

They're easy to find online.

And so sometimes they're very overt, but a lot of times there's different censorship things that are in place.

So they'll change the cover of the book.

So the propagandists that we had in the group were making stuff look less innocuous, not, you know, using swastikas or things like that.

So some groups are very prolific at that and they'll use swastikas.

Podcasts, they'll use videos.

They have a Nazi podcast?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, as far as the military was concerned, we were actively trying to recruit military.

So early on in the organization, it was like 10% maybe of the members.

By the time I left, it was about 50%.

And how did you do that?

Well, on their applications, we were asking what branch they were in, what rank they achieved, because we were looking at all that for potential leadership.

So anybody that had military experience, especially in the higher ranks,