Jeff Thornburg

And that's where I see it the most.

Yeah, well, with Elon, he had that money from PayPal to start Tesla and SpaceX.

So he had a $100 million head start that most people don't have.

Nah, I mean, you have to work at it.

It doesn't happen that fast.

I mean...

Normally, you still end up going through a process where you're going to raise a pre-seed round of a few million, and then a seed of maybe 10 or 20 million, and then blah, blah, blah.

Right.

You're diluting your business every time you raise money.

And Elon didn't have to do that because it was his own money.

It's his own money.

Yeah.

I mean, you know.

So when we started the company four years ago, we decided to pursue solar thermal propulsion because it was a stepping stone to get to nuclear propulsion later.

But nobody knew what that was or how it could translate into getting you faster movement on orbit.

So you're right.

The CEO has to be a salesman first, and then you have to start proving that you can build this hardware.

And then you start building hardware, you start doing testing, you start showing people.

I've started to do that now, yeah, with Board Where You Are.

That's a good idea, Neil.