Jeff Thornburg

I hadn't thought about that.

That's funny.

That's true.

I can always use good skeptics on the board.

Yeah.

Yeah, but the investors typically don't know anything about the technology, to your question, and they hire people.

So one of the things we did at Portal was we started working with the Space Force and the Air Force

on small business innovative research contracts so that we could show people that knew things about space, that knew the technology, that investors could then get confidence on that we were on the right track of things.

So there's just a lot of steps you got to take to try to convince people something's real.

And I wanted to do that with data as much as salesmanship because I didn't want to be vaporware.

Well, to get out of Earth's gravity well, you want a lot of thrust, and liquid rocket engines are still the best way to get off the ground and into orbit.

where technology has now started to evolve, is once you're in orbit, now what do you do?

I would argue that liquid rocket engines aren't the best way to get you around

once you're on orbit.

Now, we're still using that to take upper stages, third stages, second stages, to take you to higher orbits and stuff, but that's not the most efficient way to go.

Correct.

There's more solutions available than what we've typically used before.

So the electric propulsion came on the scene a while back.

So typically you're talking about a hall thruster type system.

So you're creating ions that you're accelerating out the back of an electric motor or engine.