Jefferson Fisher

right in the like the super super early days i'd interviewed jay shetty and then you and i was like oh my god like this is so crazy but again of course because of who you are cardy b cardy b yeah it's like the three of you cardy b is a very easy a very natural same same set just lovely people with the with the with the voice that just puts you it's because we can oh it's the same thing exactly you go see there we go same same that's why i'll tell cardi

yeah please your book all right start with yourself at first i thought you know i got it and i said okay this is is this is it almost wrong to have that mentality and i think it's that contrast emma that made me go okay i'm gonna keep reading and understanding that no it's it's about making sure that

you can't control everybody else but you can control yourself and when you say before i blame this before i blame that before i start trying to fix everybody else how about you start fixing yourself and so once i had that type of perspective switch i said okay this is this is really great and we're going to keep talking about the book throughout the episode but you have just such a depth of experience that i don't think

as many people appreciate just the level of things that you have to, you get to, not have to, you get to manage and be responsible for and balance and juggles.

And I know a lot of people ask you questions about

what you do the first question i want to ask emma is what you don't do so what are some things that you find you know maybe in meeting with somebody what what do you think is in in let's put it in the business context first what's a red flag that you see that others might miss in business relationships

I'm like, what?

When it starts really superficial.

When it starts really superficial.

I can see that.

And you said in your book, and I've seen some other interviews, because I listen to you too, Emma, it's not just one way.

It's not just one way, it's a two-way road, of understanding also the value, or at least not being afraid

to try and mask the fact that some things are transactional, where you don't have to, because it's almost worse when somebody starts with the gloss, the fake, when you know they're going to be asking for something.

They hate for something.

What you're saying is,

Just own that.

I would rather you own that than try and be genuine.

So do you see that as something that you go, I can already tell that they're wanting something from me?

How does that process for you?

I get such a treasure talking to you.