Jefferson Fisher

I advocate my clients' facts in order to get the result that they want.

So why did you think it was important to write a book about conversation, talking, getting what you want from the conversations we have with people we care about?

And how does that apply to the average person in their life?

And what do you think is the sort of variance in outcome?

How would my life change if I became an absolute master in this?

You know, if I started from zero in this regard, and then I became a master in dealing with conflict and dealing with difficult people and dealing with people that gaslight me and dealing with narcissists and all these kinds of things, why would my life be different?

And in what domains?

It's quite a lot.

But what about justice, Jefferson?

Yeah.

Do you know justice?

Like this person has wronged me.

They've said something wrong.

They've, I don't know, they tweeted at me something which is incorrect.

I need to correct the record.

Justice.

I think we all have a sort of an innate sense of justice.

We want things to be fair and right.

If I'm dealing with someone who's in a position of power, someone who's a, I don't know, a senior to me at my company, or even someone who in my social group is a bit more higher up in the sort of social pecking order, and they're continually putting me down or being difficult, or even a partner that I'm romantically involved in, what are the hallmarks of someone who has control over their communication?

And what are the hallmarks of someone that doesn't?