Jefferson Fisher

Like, what is it that makes, because when you speak, it's very, feels very composed and controlled.

What are you intentionally doing to achieve that effect?

And when you're in a case in front of a judge, is there anything else that you're intentionally thinking about with, I don't know, your body language or the eye contact or any of these other things that you've learned over time are really important to get your message heard?

Okay, on that point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So when you say rules against you, you mean during the trial, there's something you request.

Exactly.

The judge might say no, and you say, thank you, judge.

Yeah.

You act as if you're not defeated.

I think also it illuminates to me how much of a communication is non-verbal.

Because in that example, you're just talking about how they're watching your body language and how you've received something.

And if you were defensive with all those objections, or if you were defeated in the judge's ruling, that would work against you, even though it's really nothing was said, like nothing significant was said.

I think that's probably good advice for people who have important meetings or are going on dates.

Yeah.

To maybe get there ahead of time and familiarize yourself with the location.

Just so you, you know, you don't have the added anxiety of like stumbling through the physical environment, like looking for the thing or trying to find the toilet or, I don't know, trying to figure out how to make the PowerPoint presentation airdrop onto the screen and all those kinds of things, which we've all seen before.

When we talk about people that have aura, you must have met a lot of people in your career and your life generally that you felt had a sense of aura.

What was it about them that gave them that aura?

What is it?