Jefferson Fisher

I'd say, yeah, yeah, cool.

He'd say, just so you know.

And then he'd deliver some of the worst shit I've ever heard in my entire life.

But he'd do it in such a calm way that I both – I was calm –

And I thought he had it under control.

Right.

And I remember always thinking, I need to put more people under this guy because he's going to bring us down.

And so I just think as employers, I wouldn't have known that my boss or my employer is thinking this unless someone had said it to me.

They're watching how I deal with things when shit hits the fan.

They're always watching.

When you think about like military generals and leaders, they also have this other side to them, which is they do also protect the standard.

And I think there's a balance that's almost needed here between being nonchalant in those moments where something bad's happened, we can't control it now, and then how you defend the standard.

So like you watch the military barracks or whatever when they're going through training, these leaders are like screaming at them about the standards, about the buttons, about iron your shirt, make your boots clean.

And so it appears on one end that they are petty about something.

And they are, you know, these leaders are emotional.

Football managers.

Yeah.

Or sporting managers.

Yeah.

They almost exist in a bit of a dichotomy, which is like...