Jefferson Fisher

And I appreciate the effort that you've put into this.

So that's the biggest thing is to acknowledge, even when it's a very small feeling.

To you, it might be the most minor thing, is to acknowledge and affirm the emotion that is being expressed.

And I think that's a way of showing that you can be a safe space for even more.

Great question.

Okay.

Okay.

Catherine, thank you for sharing that.

That can be really hurtful when you apologize for something and seek forgiveness and that forgiveness is refused.

One, I have a big problem with that because

You know, you can't expect to receive forgiveness if you don't give forgiveness.

And that's going to be up to that other person.

There's no words I can give you, Catherine, that's going to make them say, yes, I forgive you.

Here's the thing I want to stick in your heart.

Number one, apologies.

while they are for the other person, that it is more a spoken acknowledgement by you that I have remorse, regret, that I have done something, that my behavior, my actions, my words have caused.

I acknowledge that.

I see that, and I'm affirming that, and I want to let you know that I am sorry for that.

I made a mistake, and I seek your forgiveness.

Now, forgiveness