Jefferson Fisher

is not a requirement for apology.

Okay, you've apologized.

That is your action.

Forgiveness is theirs.

And by this person saying, you know what?

No, just let bygones be bygones.

I'm telling you, Catherine, that's not somebody that I would really want to be associated with, to be honest.

That's them not...

If they can't see themselves in something, what they say is they're so concerned about everybody else and their wrongs, rather than being concerned with yours.

That's there's an incongruence there.

And that to me is, is not okay.

So what do we, what do we do with that?

Like I said, I want you to understand you've done the right thing.

You've done the right thing.

That being said, because I don't know what you've done and what the context is, there are certainly

a place where some things, I'm not trying to say things, all things are forgivable.

That's not what I'm saying.

Though I do, I'm somebody who is absolutely an advocate for grace and forgiveness.

And that's the message that I'm blessed to be able to share.

It is the aspect of some forgiveness takes time.