Jefferson Fisher

So that's how I got there.

And the argue less, talk more is something that I've always said that I help people with.

It was one of the first things I did when you kind of put in your, what do they call it, kind of your heading, your bio.

It's like, what do I really help people with?

It helps to distill that into, for me, a help statement.

What do I help people with?

And I came up with, well, I help people argue less and I help them talk more, which is very contradictory, like you mentioned, for an attorney, because people feel like we get hired to argue and we argue a whole lot, which is partly true.

You do have to have a lot of written and legal arguments throughout the profession.

But yeah, that is something that

I like contradictory things, and contradiction piques a lot of curiosity in people.

Here's a guy who's an attorney.

I could be wearing a suit and tie.

I could be doing it with all of my degrees and my law books and everything behind a desk.

Or here's this guy who's in his vehicle in a T-shirt with his kid's car seat in the back.

And he says he's an attorney and he's talking about helping me not argue with people.

Like there is that sense of what's going on here that I really enjoy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I called him Big Bad Bobby LaPre.

Now, that wasn't his real name.

I couldn't use his real name.