Jeffrey Gonzalez

Well, I think if we think back to the great Walt Whitman poem, I Hear America Singing, it's actually about work, right? It's about all these people kind of working and doing things and building things. And so I think that there's a sense that America likes to think of itself as full of hardworking people. And the factory was a place where you had to do hard work.

Well, I think if we think back to the great Walt Whitman poem, I Hear America Singing, it's actually about work, right? It's about all these people kind of working and doing things and building things. And so I think that there's a sense that America likes to think of itself as full of hardworking people. And the factory was a place where you had to do hard work.

So I think in that way, too, it's kind of folded into American ideology.

So I think in that way, too, it's kind of folded into American ideology.

So I think in that way, too, it's kind of folded into American ideology.

I think you're absolutely right, Dylan, that what the fantasy does in some ways is it's to say that if we did X and Y right, then Americans could make good money again, rather than like, why can't Americans make good money now?

I think you're absolutely right, Dylan, that what the fantasy does in some ways is it's to say that if we did X and Y right, then Americans could make good money again, rather than like, why can't Americans make good money now?

I think you're absolutely right, Dylan, that what the fantasy does in some ways is it's to say that if we did X and Y right, then Americans could make good money again, rather than like, why can't Americans make good money now?

I really did too. Thanks so much. Yes, this was great. Thank you so much for having me.

I really did too. Thanks so much. Yes, this was great. Thank you so much for having me.

I really did too. Thanks so much. Yes, this was great. Thank you so much for having me.