Jeffrey Sachs

There's no much deeper reason except Hillary liked every bombing she could get her hands on. And Obama was kind of convinced. My Secretary of State says, go with it. So why don't we go with the NATO expedition? It had nothing to do with Libya. It unleashed 15 years of chaos, cheated the UN Security Council, because like everything else we've done, it was on false pretenses.

We did the same with trying to overthrow Syria. We did the same with conspiring to overthrow Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine in February 2014. So the problem with this argument is we're not nice guys. We're not trying to save the world. We're not trying to make democracies. We had a committee, by the way, of all the luminaries you could mention, but they're the neocon crazies, but they're luminaries.

We did the same with trying to overthrow Syria. We did the same with conspiring to overthrow Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine in February 2014. So the problem with this argument is we're not nice guys. We're not trying to save the world. We're not trying to make democracies. We had a committee, by the way, of all the luminaries you could mention, but they're the neocon crazies, but they're luminaries.

The Committee for the People of Chechnya. Are you kidding? Do you think they even knew where Chechnya is or cared about Chechnya? But it was an opportunity to get at Russia, to weaken Russia, to support a jihadist movement inside Russia. This is a game. But it's a game that John has described better than anyone in the world. It's a game of power. It's not that we're defending real things.

The Committee for the People of Chechnya. Are you kidding? Do you think they even knew where Chechnya is or cared about Chechnya? But it was an opportunity to get at Russia, to weaken Russia, to support a jihadist movement inside Russia. This is a game. But it's a game that John has described better than anyone in the world. It's a game of power. It's not that we're defending real things.

If you want to defend real things, go to the UN Security Council and convince others because the other countries are not crazy. And they don't want mayhem in the world. But we play games. So they say, that's a game, Iraq, which was obviously a game before we went in. Obviously, Colin Powell could not move his lips without lying that day. Obviously. And so they said, no.

If you want to defend real things, go to the UN Security Council and convince others because the other countries are not crazy. And they don't want mayhem in the world. But we play games. So they say, that's a game, Iraq, which was obviously a game before we went in. Obviously, Colin Powell could not move his lips without lying that day. Obviously. And so they said, no.

But if we're real about our interests, then you go to the UN Security Council. And then it's not just on us. It's actually then a collective security issue.

But if we're real about our interests, then you go to the UN Security Council. And then it's not just on us. It's actually then a collective security issue.

David, could I just say, two-thirds right, perfect.

David, could I just say, two-thirds right, perfect.

I always give him an A minus. Oh, that's that great inflation? I just wanted to add a footnote, which is that China's also not a threat.

I always give him an A minus. Oh, that's that great inflation? I just wanted to add a footnote, which is that China's also not a threat.

China's a market. It's got great food, great culture, wonderful people, a civilization 10 times older than ours. It's not a threat.

China's a market. It's got great food, great culture, wonderful people, a civilization 10 times older than ours. It's not a threat.

Yeah, it would wreck California for one thing. it would destroy the economy that you guys are making completely. This economy has been the biggest beneficiary of China's rise probably in the whole world. So it's crazy. Maybe if you're worried, if you're really worried about whether a worker in Ohio has a particular job on a particular assembly line, then you can be anti-China.

Yeah, it would wreck California for one thing. it would destroy the economy that you guys are making completely. This economy has been the biggest beneficiary of China's rise probably in the whole world. So it's crazy. Maybe if you're worried, if you're really worried about whether a worker in Ohio has a particular job on a particular assembly line, then you can be anti-China.

If you're worried about the tech industry, about California, about peace and the future, you should be pro-China. That's all.

If you're worried about the tech industry, about California, about peace and the future, you should be pro-China. That's all.

Because John said it exactly right, and he predicted it better than anyone in the whole world in 2001. He said, when China becomes large, we're going to have conflict because that's John's theory. And it's right as a description of American foreign policy that we are for power. They are big. Therefore, they're an enemy. They're an enemy of our aspiration to global hegemony.