Jen Psaki

It is it.

You know, so it's not just it's certainly Trump, but it's also the some of the people around him who are contributing to the lack of seriousness there, which, you know, where the war is being portrayed or how the U.S.

government is handling it is being portrayed, of course.

Yeah, they do feel a little bit individually different, to me at least.

I mean, Maine, I know we've spent a lot of time talking about Maine.

I know you guys have, too.

And it is what is fascinating to me about that race is that in many ways, Graham Plattner has like defied political gravity.

Right.

From what you and I maybe have lived through or known through doing many, many campaigns over the course of years, which is like if you have a big scandal that comes out that's old that people didn't know about, it's going to change the perception of voters of you.

Right.

Right.

What does that tell you?

Well, maybe scandal matters a lot less than it did back in the age the day.

Maybe Trump has muted that a bit for people.

Right.

Also, people are looking for and it's so hard to describe this.

I guess somebody they feel they identify with as being like them.

Now, is it like, oh, he's like me because I also had a Nazi tattoo I covered up?

No, I'm not saying that.

But just made mistakes.