Jen Psaki

He's the president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee.

David, great to see you.

Thank you for being with us.

You're just back from Lebanon.

I was in Beirut on Wednesday.

So there's conflict instability.

There's a third issue that has to do with the Strait of Hormuz, and that is that a lot of countries in the region get not just their fuel, but their fertilizer and other products from there.

So you and I have been discussing famine in Sudan and other places.

All of that gets worsened.

Forget about instability and forget about the incursion of Israel into southern Lebanon.

There's just a great deal of food instability in

So could you talk about 2025 for Lebanon and Syria?

Syria, weirdly and unexpectedly, got a little bit more stable.

Lebanon has had stability problems for a long time.

It's a complicated story, which you know well in both of your jobs, your current job and your prior job.

The government of Lebanon, the elected government of Lebanon, does not control the whole country.

Hezbollah does enjoy political power in Lebanon, and they are constantly in skirmishes with Israel.

But what has happened here in southern Lebanon is...

under the shadow and fog of this war, Israel has kind of just taken over.

Well, Lebanon's tragedy is always to be the victim of other people's wars.