Jen Psaki

You and Norm Ornstein are going to continue this conversation because you're proposing a constitutional amendment or at least some some version of making the pardon power a little more constrained.

We'll talk about that later this weekend.

Always great to talk to you.

Thank you for joining us.

Congressman Madeleine Dean, Democrat of Pennsylvania.

All right.

Coming up, Donald Trump just said something about the war with Iran that shows how detached he really is.

That's next.

One must imagine that Donald Trump is desperately trying to find an off ramp to end this war with Iran.

But that desire is butting up against harsh reality, because not only does Iran now have a say in when and how this war ends, but so do our allies across the Middle East, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia, who, according to multiple reports, are both pushing to keep this fighting going.

But Trump is confident that Israel will do just as he tells them.

They'll stop when I stop, he told Time magazine.

They'll stop unless they're provoked, in which case they'll have no choice.

It's an interesting caveat given how Israel is currently fighting not one, but two fronts in this war.

The first, of course, being in Iran.

The other in Lebanon against the Iranian-backed militia known as Hezbollah.

By and large, that conflict, the one inside Lebanon, has received far less attention here in the United States.

But it doesn't make it any less urgent.

Joining me now is someone with firsthand knowledge of how this conflict is not only affecting Lebanon, but also the broader region.

David Miliband is the former UK foreign secretary.