Jen Psaki

And in a new piece in the New Republic, the Democratic Congresswoman Madeline Dean says that Trump's corrupt pardons may well be the most corrupt thing about him.

That's saying something.

Joining me now is the Democratic Congresswoman Madeline Dean of Pennsylvania.

Congresswoman, thank you for joining us.

There's a lot to choose from when it comes to the corruption of this president.

Tell me how you arrived at the idea that the pardons are at the top of the list.

I'm curious about Donald Trump's self-described war on fraud.

He brought it up at the State of the Union.

He's decided J.D.

Vance is in charge of it.

Just just days after that announcement.

This is what J.D.

Vance had to say about it.

Let's listen.

When you go to the polls in November, I don't want you to just think about all the great things that we've accomplished, all the great things that we've talked about.

I don't want you just to think about no taxes on tips and lower gas prices.

I want you to think who is going to protect my money from fraudsters.

That's awful, Rich.

Yeah.

Lower gas prices, yeah.