Jennifer Forde

And so he would have been brought up in an area that I wouldn't describe as being a sort of upper middle class, middle class area.

He would have been grown up in a working class area, in a big house in a working class area.

It is a huge leap.

And people would have said to me, for example, that, you know, the connection between the Cavanagh and the Kinnan family, for example, has always been a bit, where does that come from?

This is Balmer Cavanagh's parents.

This is Balmer Cavanagh's parents would have known Christy Kinnan's dad.

They would have been friendly.

All those people have no involvement in crime.

There's no suggestion of that.

But it would have been, I suppose, you know, maybe not as straightforward as this is a, he's a middle class guy.

It's somewhere along that line, I suppose.

And like most Irish people have, you know, it's, the poverty is only one generation away, I suppose.

Though, though, it is sad.

And, you know, it just shows you when somebody gets as big a news story as Christy Kinahan that his leaving results have been made public.

Do you know that?

Didn't know that.

And maybe not made public, but the son did a story about how he actually failed his leaving.

Right.

So...

Christy Kinnan, look, there's no doubt about him being smart, but certainly that was said, that he only passed two subjects.