Jennifer Forde

So he's described, I suppose, as a middle class, having a middle class upbringing.

Charlville Road.

So, I mean, yeah, I know it well.

I mean, I would have grown up very close to there.

I mean, those houses are worth a huge amount of money.

Now, like a lot of houses in that area, for example, those big houses on the North Circular Road, which aren't far away, there probably would have been times where you would have picked them up at a bargain price, but it would be very, very far away from some of the figures we've discussed, for example, the grinding poverty in which Gerry Hutch would have been born into poverty.

Certainly Christy Kinnan would have been raised in something that's now worth a huge amount of money, that home.

I, you know, that's part of East Cabra.

Now, if you walk through East Cabra now, you can't.

There's organic coffee shops and all of that sort of stuff and houses being sold for routinely close to half a million pounds.

Like back in the 60s, it wouldn't have been so much like that, I think.

And those houses, like a lot of places in sort of stony batter or somewhere like that, those houses wouldn't have been seen as, you know, posh houses.

Would a taxi driver's wage have bought that house?

Well, it would have.

It would be far, far bigger than most houses in that area and would have cost a lot of money.

But I suppose it's a different context and Cabra would have been different then.

And Christy Kinnan would have been growing up in the 60s, early 70s when he's a teenager.

And Cabra at that stage would have been a lot kind of wilder, I suppose.

Like a lot of areas, there was a lot of homes built at one stage and young people grew up.

And, you know, it certainly would be a far more settled area, just like places in places like Crumlin and Drimna have become far more settled as the time has gone on.