Jennifer Gunter

And so the thing is, and then what does the press pick up on and what do people pick up on?

So I would say that I don't really consider it a win because it's not just a thing that happened in isolation.

It happened with this propaganda piece in the Wall Street Journal and propaganda on the news and propaganda.

propaganda in JAMA, that was like an embarrassment to read.

So I would just say that, you know, if, if, if the person who wrote that editorial is making decisions, like that's pretty bad.

And I would just say that we had a process for doing this the right way.

And it was a choice to abandon that.

And then what does that mean then if we can abandon it for one thing?

What else are we going to abandon it for?

And I'm looking at it this lens of erosion of abortion.

And we have now right-wing forces telling women that contraception is unsafe.

And so I'm looking at it in this greater lens of women's health care.

And so I just think that...

sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for because sometimes you get it right like that's yes one of those kind of lessons from fairy tales so i just think that they could have done it they had a choice to do it in a way that i think many people would have said oh okay that that's that's like a win that's doing you know yeah that that's a good thing to do they had a choice

and they didn't take that choice.

I just want to add one more thing.

We have a lot of this process in place because women have historically been harmed by people just making decisions, right?

We have all this history of things that have been understudied and given to women or women being coerced into having tubal ligations or not even knowing they were going to have it.

So we have all this process as part of protection.

So what happens when we start abandoning that process?