Jenny Holland

Yeah, he does.

You know, he mentions that he had one of the things that

He was lucky enough to never experience despair and sort of like a long, dark night of the soul, which surprised me given what he went through with the Velker.

But I'll take him at his word that that kind of terrible event that happened that drives you to God because you're crying out for mercy.

He says he's never experienced that.

So he's coming from it in a very kind of scientific, rational way, which, you know,

I don't know.

I mean, I think you can have an argument about that.

But I suppose whatever gets you to where you need to go is not a bad thing.

And again, I cannot stress this enough.

The most interesting thing about this is that it is coming from the sort of most tweed jacket, polite Ivy League people.

you know, chin-scratching world, and not at all a fire-breathing, passionate Christian community.

So this is, I think, really what this is saying, as sort of as mild-mannered as this piece is, you know, this is not passionate for Christ by any means, I think it's just yet another piece of evidence that there's these green shoots coming up in very unexpected places, and not,

coming from the Catholic church itself.

Definitely.

Yeah, I think that that sounds accurate.

I don't know if I would personally, it seems like he's coming at it from a very professorial and measured angle.

And I so I think it would be it would be a very good introduction for someone who shares that temperament or that background.

Personally, that is not me.

I am neither professorial nor mild mannered.