Jenny Holland

And I personally am being driven

toward belief in the Christian faith from very much a position as a mother who sees great harms being done to children in the secular world.

But it's very, very important that we have the right people to speak to the right audience at the right time.

And it seems to me that this Charles Murray book may in fact be that.

And that it may bring to these very rarefied kind of campus environments, I don't mean the crazy woke campus, I mean the sort of older generation, the idea that God is acceptable and in fact necessary.

Yes.

And also that you might, in fact, be able to be a professed Christian and also be part of polite society and the dinner party circuit.

Yeah, well, I am a native of Ireland, and I do live on the island of Ireland, as you said.

This is a shocking article.

I mean, I am very, very familiar with how secular Ireland has become.

My experience of it in the 90s and to the present day is of a country that is vastly...

secularized.

And I have very few memories of the old Catholic Ireland that my father would have grown up in.

But yes, 13 men have joined the seminary this year in Ireland.

And that was reported by the UK Sunday Times this weekend.

13 men in all of the country.

The story also reports

A survey from the Iona Institute, which is a Catholic think tank, saying that 16% of Irish Catholics go to mass weekly.

16, one sixth percent.

something in the 90s, 90% mark, you know, a couple of decades ago.