Jenny Holland

I mean, these numbers are so low.

And I would somewhat...

I wouldn't put it on Vatican II necessarily.

Where I would place the blame for this is 100% on the sexual hypocrisy of the church leadership and the church structure.

The Irish population, this is very much how the liberal, secular Ireland perceives it.

Their argument is,

that the Irish church oppressed women and children throughout Ireland since the founding of the Republic and before, and then was turned around to be found to be flagrantly abusing children.

So it's the sexual hypocrisy that you guys were talking about in the first segment with that jaw dropping letter that you mentioned written in 1959 by a priest who is now being celebrated by the popes.

OK, so this absolute baked in rot, this endemic do as I say, not as I do attitude towards sexuality.

Ireland...

really got the rough end of that, very much so.

And I don't think that can really be debated that much.

As a result, there has been, as this article says, a complete collapse of trust in the church.

And there's a few very poignant anecdotes of a few priests who were soldiering on and describing what is, the most shocking part isn't the numbers.

The most shocking part is a bishop who is a traditional Catholic, a bishop of

Waterford, I believe, describing the church as almost, the priesthood as almost an underground movement.

And he's encouraging young men to go into the priesthood as a sign of a counterculture.

So what has happened in Ireland, and it's happened very fast, I have to say, because I was still living, I was a university student when the divorce referendum came in.

So it's within my lifetime, within my adult lifetime that this has happened.

The Irish population seems to have replaced almost wholesale the Catholic religion with a fealty to woke religion.