Jenny Keesden

For one thing, it was such an example of how the social movement here works and what society is like and all the complexities. Because, yeah, a lot of people here are very wedded to the liberatory, progressive, grassroots, democratic, women's freedom, ecological movement that I'm sure you've spoken about in your programs on Rojava.

For one thing, it was such an example of how the social movement here works and what society is like and all the complexities. Because, yeah, a lot of people here are very wedded to the liberatory, progressive, grassroots, democratic, women's freedom, ecological movement that I'm sure you've spoken about in your programs on Rojava.

For one thing, it was such an example of how the social movement here works and what society is like and all the complexities. Because, yeah, a lot of people here are very wedded to the liberatory, progressive, grassroots, democratic, women's freedom, ecological movement that I'm sure you've spoken about in your programs on Rojava.

And thousands and thousands of people completely take ownership of that and see themselves in that and are the driving force of that. Obviously, that doesn't mean every single person here is 100% sold on government at all.

And thousands and thousands of people completely take ownership of that and see themselves in that and are the driving force of that. Obviously, that doesn't mean every single person here is 100% sold on government at all.

And thousands and thousands of people completely take ownership of that and see themselves in that and are the driving force of that. Obviously, that doesn't mean every single person here is 100% sold on government at all.

Some of them are just trying to get on with life. Some of them are, you know, I mean, if you talk about women's freedom, there's always going to be a few men who are a bit like, what does this mean for me? What do I have to give up? So it would be silly. I've encountered that. It would be silly and new topic to say that everyone's totally sold.

Some of them are just trying to get on with life. Some of them are, you know, I mean, if you talk about women's freedom, there's always going to be a few men who are a bit like, what does this mean for me? What do I have to give up? So it would be silly. I've encountered that. It would be silly and new topic to say that everyone's totally sold.

Some of them are just trying to get on with life. Some of them are, you know, I mean, if you talk about women's freedom, there's always going to be a few men who are a bit like, what does this mean for me? What do I have to give up? So it would be silly. I've encountered that. It would be silly and new topic to say that everyone's totally sold.

However, nobody wants to get invaded by one of the largest armies in NATO.

However, nobody wants to get invaded by one of the largest armies in NATO.

However, nobody wants to get invaded by one of the largest armies in NATO.

So you have this sort of actually even broader than usual kind of coming together, like groups from the sort of like tribal clan structures here that are still like a really political force and that don't, you know, have a kind of...

So you have this sort of actually even broader than usual kind of coming together, like groups from the sort of like tribal clan structures here that are still like a really political force and that don't, you know, have a kind of...

So you have this sort of actually even broader than usual kind of coming together, like groups from the sort of like tribal clan structures here that are still like a really political force and that don't, you know, have a kind of...

uneasy truth and sort of slowly learning each other relationship with yeah with the movement you can say but they really came out in in force as well um as well as like the Kurdish movement as well as like lots of different ethnic groups and we marched and to be honest I didn't know we were going to an American base a lot of people didn't it was quite a confusing day because I think you didn't want to announce things too widely until they got there yeah um and we went and did this kind of yeah they like

uneasy truth and sort of slowly learning each other relationship with yeah with the movement you can say but they really came out in in force as well um as well as like the Kurdish movement as well as like lots of different ethnic groups and we marched and to be honest I didn't know we were going to an American base a lot of people didn't it was quite a confusing day because I think you didn't want to announce things too widely until they got there yeah um and we went and did this kind of yeah they like

uneasy truth and sort of slowly learning each other relationship with yeah with the movement you can say but they really came out in in force as well um as well as like the Kurdish movement as well as like lots of different ethnic groups and we marched and to be honest I didn't know we were going to an American base a lot of people didn't it was quite a confusing day because I think you didn't want to announce things too widely until they got there yeah um and we went and did this kind of yeah they like

read out a letter symbolically i think in some of the arabic community leaders went up to the base and we the majority of people there's hundreds of hundreds of people in this crowd and they stayed back at a distance and i found out later that that is because the american soldiers said if two bigger group of people come close we will like we will open fire like that that information was given yeah um i don't know what they were scared of you know it's like like any mart here the people in the front row are always granites yeah yeah it's old ladies yeah it's

read out a letter symbolically i think in some of the arabic community leaders went up to the base and we the majority of people there's hundreds of hundreds of people in this crowd and they stayed back at a distance and i found out later that that is because the american soldiers said if two bigger group of people come close we will like we will open fire like that that information was given yeah um i don't know what they were scared of you know it's like like any mart here the people in the front row are always granites yeah yeah it's old ladies yeah it's