Jeremy Boreing

I believe you call them podcasts.

No, we call it the show.

I don't know.

Francis and I were talking about this the other day.

Why do people still call these podcasts?

It's like a full-on visual show, right?

Well, you know, it's interesting.

When we first started The Daily Wire with The Ben Shapiro Show and The Andrew Klavan Show, we shot the first two episodes on the same day with video.

And it was important to us from the very beginning to be video first.

And for the first five or six years after that that we would go to the big podcast conferences, they would criticize us for having video.

And they would say, well, you're not real podcast if you're real podcasts are audio only.

And then the last three or four years of going to podcast conferences, every single panel is how to add video to your podcast.

Right.

No, totally.

We've always thought of Trigonometry as a show.

Of course.

I think podcast is a kind of legacy term, but we've got right into the conversation.

We want to talk also about the Pendragon Cycle, which is super exciting that you've just released.

And you've got straight into the conversation we wanted to have first, which is about new media

There's something that you were kind of at the roots of from the very beginning.