Jeremy Boreing

So talk to us about that and how you see the landscape, because obviously there's been a lot going on, as I'm sure you're aware.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, when we started The Daily Wire in 2015, all of this was very new.

Obviously, there were people involved on the right in America in new media long before we were.

Andrew Breitbart, obviously a mentor to both Ben and I.

Matt Drudge charging the way.

You had the sort of bloggers who were really instrumental in fighting off a lot of early left-wing narratives online, like Little Green Footballs and some guys like that.

But I think that what we really...

brought to the table was we were one of the first to really see the opening in social media, and we were the first to see the opportunity in podcasting to see these two new areas, one which we thought could be incredibly effective for marketing and distribution, and the other which we thought could be a great medium for actually getting our message out.

And we married those two things and had a huge amount of success in the early days, particularly around Facebook, because it was the Wild West back then.

People, particularly on our side, weren't fast to adopt

And they were as consumers, of course, but not as content creators and marketers.

And people on the other side hadn't figured out yet that we would become very good at it.

So the sort of cancel culture and all of the tools that later were developed to try to limit the reach of conservatives in those spaces hadn't happened yet.

So the world was sort of our oyster.

It was wide open in front of us, and we took it.

I think one of my criticisms of conservatives, broadly speaking, is that we're typically so late to adopt new technologies and new opportunities when they present it themselves.

And that's interesting because we purport to really believe in free markets.

We purport to believe in

uh those in the mechanism of profit motive of incentive of finding efficiencies in the market and taking them but then we're also sort of constitutionally afraid of new technologies afraid of new uh of change and so we sometimes uh allow the conservative part of our conservative dna to out uh to sort of outvote the part of us that would be sort of economically motivated and for that reason we wind up not being players in some of the big areas i think we're seeing it probably right now already in