Jeremy Boreing

but it was certainly true in social media at the very beginning.

And I think that's one of the things that set Ben and I apart is that we were either had the foresight to realize that there was an opportunity here or had the foolishness not to realize that there were dragons.

And so we just charged right off the map and went into that area.

Well, but what's happened since that time when you were early pioneers is I don't think there's any shortage of right-of-center, center-right voices now in new media.

Oh, no, we dominated.

And in fact, there's so many now that there is a civil war going on, I think it's fair to say, within it.

And I imagine you have some insights on that, given that some of the big players are people that you've either worked with directly at The Daily Wire or just know through other ways.

Well, obviously, the movement is small.

And if you're in it for very long at all, you know everyone, as you guys, I'm certain, know everyone.

And yeah, of course, there's a huge civil war going on on the right right now.

And in part, it's happening because Donald Trump is a one-term president.

It's a unique thing in our history.

There's only been one other example of non-consecutive

terms for a second term president, it essentially means Donald Trump was a lame duck from the day he was elected to this second term.

Now, he's made a lot of moves to make that less true.

He had a great, particularly around foreign policy, he had a great first year of his second term, which you might not always see from a second term president.

But you can tell that the buzzards are circling.

People understand that a lot of a politician's power is in their ability to win the next election.

Donald Trump doesn't have constitutionally the power to win the next election.

And everybody wants now to define what's going to happen next in the conservative movement.