Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
There's a huge civil war going on on the right right now. And the question is, what direction is the country going to go? I certainly think that hiring Candace is probably the biggest mistake of my professional life so far. I've asked Candace on two separate occasions, what do you actually believe? And on both occasions, she told me, I believe what the people believe.
Chapter 2: What is the civil war currently happening on the right?
I am the voice of the people. But she's essentially, she's articulating audience capture as a virtue. She's now talking about doing expose documentaries on Charlie Kirk's widow. You know, that's, that is evil.
I see a huge alignment between, you know, Antifa thugs tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and people on the so-called New Right saying that Churchill is the chief villain of the Second World War or that America shouldn't have used the atomic bomb to end the Second World War.
That's just rhetorically tearing down our statues in the same way that Antifa is physically tearing down our statues. I think that Tucker is doing an enormous amount of damage to the Trump coalition.
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Chapter 3: How does charisma relate to mental health in media personalities?
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Jeremy Boring, welcome to Trigonometry. Man, happy to be here. It's great to have you on.
Chapter 4: Is anger a productive force in today's political climate?
We've been meaning to have you on for the first time. In fact, I believe we're the first video interview you're doing since leaving The Daily Wire. Yes, this is my first. I believe you call them podcasts. No, we call it the show. I don't know.
Chapter 5: What role does JD Vance play in the MAGA movement?
Francis and I were talking about this the other day. Why do people still call these podcasts? It's like a full-on visual show, right? Well, you know, it's interesting. When we first started The Daily Wire with The Ben Shapiro Show and The Andrew Klavan Show, we shot the first two episodes on the same day with video.
Chapter 6: How does religion influence modern conservative thought?
And it was important to us from the very beginning to be video first. And for the first five or six years after that that we would go to the big podcast conferences, they would criticize us for having video. And they would say, well, you're not real podcast if you're real podcasts are audio only.
And then the last three or four years of going to podcast conferences, every single panel is how to add video to your podcast. Right. No, totally. We've always thought of Trigonometry as a show. Of course. I think podcast is a kind of legacy term, but we've got right into the conversation. We want to talk also about the Pendragon Cycle, which is super exciting that you've just released.
And you've got straight into the conversation we wanted to have first, which is about new media There's something that you were kind of at the roots of from the very beginning. So talk to us about that and how you see the landscape, because obviously there's been a lot going on, as I'm sure you're aware. Yeah, absolutely. Well, when we started The Daily Wire in 2015, all of this was very new.
Obviously, there were people involved on the right in America in new media long before we were.
Chapter 7: Is liberalism facing significant challenges today?
Andrew Breitbart, obviously a mentor to both Ben and I. Matt Drudge charging the way. You had the sort of bloggers who were really instrumental in fighting off a lot of early left-wing narratives online, like Little Green Footballs and some guys like that. But I think that what we really...
brought to the table was we were one of the first to really see the opening in social media, and we were the first to see the opportunity in podcasting to see these two new areas, one which we thought could be incredibly effective for marketing and distribution, and the other which we thought could be a great medium for actually getting our message out.
And we married those two things and had a huge amount of success in the early days, particularly around Facebook, because it was the Wild West back then. People, particularly on our side, weren't fast to adopt And they were as consumers, of course, but not as content creators and marketers. And people on the other side hadn't figured out yet that we would become very good at it.
So the sort of cancel culture and all of the tools that later were developed to try to limit the reach of conservatives in those spaces hadn't happened yet. So the world was sort of our oyster.
Chapter 8: What is the Pendragon Cycle and its cultural significance?
It was wide open in front of us, and we took it. I think one of my criticisms of conservatives, broadly speaking, is that we're typically so late to adopt new technologies and new opportunities when they present it themselves. And that's interesting because we purport to really believe in free markets. We purport to believe in
uh those in the mechanism of profit motive of incentive of finding efficiencies in the market and taking them but then we're also sort of constitutionally afraid of new technologies afraid of new uh of change and so we sometimes uh allow the conservative part of our conservative dna to out uh to sort of outvote the part of us that would be sort of economically motivated and for that reason we wind up not being players in some of the big areas i think we're seeing it probably right now already in
but it was certainly true in social media at the very beginning. And I think that's one of the things that set Ben and I apart is that we were either had the foresight to realize that there was an opportunity here or had the foolishness not to realize that there were dragons. And so we just charged right off the map and went into that area.
Well, but what's happened since that time when you were early pioneers is I don't think there's any shortage of right-of-center, center-right voices now in new media. Oh, no, we dominated. And in fact, there's so many now that there is a civil war going on, I think it's fair to say, within it.
And I imagine you have some insights on that, given that some of the big players are people that you've either worked with directly at The Daily Wire or just know through other ways. Well, obviously, the movement is small. And if you're in it for very long at all, you know everyone, as you guys, I'm certain, know everyone.
And yeah, of course, there's a huge civil war going on on the right right now. And in part, it's happening because Donald Trump is a one-term president. It's a unique thing in our history. There's only been one other example of non-consecutive terms for a second term president, it essentially means Donald Trump was a lame duck from the day he was elected to this second term.
Now, he's made a lot of moves to make that less true. He had a great, particularly around foreign policy, he had a great first year of his second term, which you might not always see from a second term president. But you can tell that the buzzards are circling. People understand that a lot of a politician's power is in their ability to win the next election.
Donald Trump doesn't have constitutionally the power to win the next election. And everybody wants now to define what's going to happen next in the conservative movement. And there's an opportunity for people to make a lot of money, an opportunity for people to seize a lot of power, an opportunity to advance new visions for what the future of conservatism in America and globally can be.
And then there's structural issues around social media and how we're incentivized as creators of content within that framework. I think those two things and the sort of inherent problems in both are creating this really confluent moment where we see almost open civil war, and in some cases, very open civil war,
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