Jeremy Boreing

I don't think they will long-term be damaging to Reagan's success, because as I say, Reagan's an enormous talent, and she's going to go on and be successful in whatever it is that she does.

But probably it became untenable.

You know, when you have voices like Candace working against you from the outside.

I mean, Candace is a giant star, and she was immediately hostile toward Reagan being in that role.

And that probably did as much as anything to guarantee that...

It was going to be very difficult for Reagan to succeed in it.

Oh, yeah.

It's still an identity crisis.

Well, painful, disorienting, liberating, I suppose, but I don't, I've, I haven't yet experienced that as a feeling of liberation.

I suppose that there's a kind of technical truth to the fact that it's liberating because I now speak for myself.

Whereas for the last,

Well, really, for my entire career, I've spoken on behalf of not just myself, but a brand and other people and employees and, and, and.

And now my new life is, I suppose, free from some of those constraints.

But I didn't come by those constraints accidentally.

I wanted them.

And so...

So it mostly feels like pain and loss and humiliation.

You know, it's hard to go to the top of the mountain and then be sort of back picking your way around at the bottom of the mountain.

It's hard to rebuild structures that you built over a decade ago.

It's hard to start something over.