Jeremy Gibb

I think, Pat, what we should do is I think you just need a little bit more time in your current role before we present you to Apple.

Interesting.

And I think that I should go tell your wife about your assistant.

So we can come to some sort of agreement here, if you like.

Definitely.

It's all about vibe, I reckon.

I reckon it's more vibe than experience.

Well... Particularly Den's on the job, I guess.

Vibe's good and you've got to try and match it.

But generally, I find if people are pretty steady and have moved around a lot and...

But vibe's a big one.

You can tell within, put it this way, I can tell within two minutes, I reckon, if they're right or wrong.

That's right.

Don't arrive five minutes before the interview, not earlier than that.

Have a very good elevator pitch.

So be able to explain.

They'll always ask, tell me about yourself.

Start early of your career, middle of your career, career to date.

keep it very brief, but highlight some learning areas and some achievements like Pat did very well managing a 600 million team of salespeople one year out of uni.

Fantastic.