Jeremy Kauffman

And I didn't even get this at first.

I wasn't like a huge Trump fan in 2016.

I was by 2020, but I was not a huge fan of Trump in 2016.

It took me a while to get this, to understand that he's the first person.

he's the first thing that is disruptive to the system that threatens the system, like even a little bit.

And, and so I'm just not eager to jump away from that until I see my ability to jump to something better.

And someone like Massey, again, who I love, like,

His popularity, I'm glad he's getting more popular.

I would love if he could become president, but he's not getting popular by talking about cutting spending, right?

He's gotten popular by talking about Epstein stuff and the war in Iran.

And I think a lot of this popularity is coming from people who are happy to support him because they see him as oppositional to Trump.

But if it ever came to Massey enacting a right-wing libertarian agenda, would turn on them in a second because they don't want to cut food stamps or spending or shrink the regulatory state.

They just like that he's sticking his thumb in the eye of Trump, which I'm not saying Trump is entirely undeserving of.

So I'm not here to condemn Massey and say he's entirely undeserving.

I will say, my understanding...

Yeah, but my understanding is that Trump wanted more cuts than Congress was willing to deliver for him, that this was not that I'm not trying to portray Trump as a Massey like figure in terms of in terms of the budget.

But but I've seen I'm trying to remember what's up ahead.

I've seen some solid evidence that like what Trump wanted more cuts than Congress was willing to deliver.

And so it was actually Congress that has been inhibiting the ability to do more of that.

Yeah, for sure.