Jeremy Kauffman

And I think – and my attitude towards Massey would be, look, similar to if Ron Paul was running again, I'd be like, well, look, this probably isn't going to work, but I hope that you try your best, and if in a couple of years it didn't work, consider this other solution that might work better.

I'm not here to say Massey shouldn't run.

I effectively think that Massey running would be beneficial for the reasons that you say.

I would hope that he incorporates, at least as part of his messaging, you know,

some of the stuff that he's gotten away from, I think, in the last year or two.

Not because I think he doesn't believe it, because, look, I think Massey's a very savvy political actor who's playing a game who, you know, I don't think he wanted to lose his primary, but he was trying to set himself up as someone who could stand up to Donald Trump, who wasn't under Donald Trump's thumb, who had enough of an audience and enough of a following that...

he was an independent man and that would have put him in a very powerful position, you know, going into a primary two years from now.

I think he maybe still can do well in that primary.

I think, you know, I would say I support him running for much of the reasons that you say.

I would hope that he talks more about

some of the stuff he's gotten away from about, you know, to the degree to which the regulatory state is inhibiting things, the degree to which we need, you know, free markets to break down prices, that, you know, that it's social spending.

Like, this is something that it's like, you know, 80, it's something like 80 to 85% of federal government spending is social welfare, you know?

And so the wards, again, clearly very bad, and it can be difficult to tabulate all the costs because I think there are costs beyond,

the exact sticker prices, but it's social welfare.

I mean, this alliance between the people receiving social welfare, the politicians who give it to them and this massive class of either bureaucrats or sort of pseudo government workers because they're in the healthcare industry or all this stuff.

I mean, this is what we're up against.

It's in the school districts too.

You have these massive – all these bureaucrats, all of these teachers, the unions, they're all whipping their votes so they get more money for themselves, extracting more money from the pie.

This rot that exists in America, this is –

Definitely, at least for me personally, like the more animating, you know, issue.