Jeremy Scahill

Yeah, I have seen clips of that from both Candace and Tucker, although that's much more of a recent development, like things that leftists were saying at the very start of the genocide in Gaza, like two years later they've sort of come around to and they're waking up to the fact that war crimes were committed every single day.

So, you know, whatever.

I'm not mad that they've come around to that position.

That's interesting, though, that you frame it as sort of like

America the bad guys is because it's like, I feel like a year ago, if I was having a conversation with one of these right wing people, they would call me like, you know, a radical communist, America hater or whatever.

If I pointed out that we were the bad guys, not just over the last, you know, couple of years, but take it back to Vietnam, take it back to the Korean War, I would make the case for that.

Like, we've been the bad guys for decades.

most of American history around the world.

Look at the history of the CIA and overthrowing democratically elected leaders and backing death squads in Latin America.

We've always been the bad guys.

Do you think that that sort of element is going to come through?

Almost like not even just an anti-war America first element, but like a full-on anti-imperialist element?

Yeah.

No, I mean, it'll be interesting to, um, to your point, like, cause it does feel like those pillars have, I mean, they're, they've been collapsed on the left or the, you know, I think even amongst liberals, they're collapsing now.

Um, but if they fully collapse, like how is the U S going to try to sell a war with China?

Like,

where we're going to try to do another Red Scare?

Do you think that young people are going to fall for that, that we need to do another massive war?

No, I think that's done for us.

And Iran probably put the nail in the coffin on that, on top of everything.