Jeremy Scahill

You could make maybe the case that, well, people wouldn't have fallen for it post the disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and all those failures.

But this Iran war has just been a total humiliation and has blown up any sort of

of propaganda efforts from the American government.

I think everybody sees through it across the political spectrum at this point.

So it's going to be hard for them to try to sell anything in the future.

Freedom and democracy.

You're describing my life's journey.

That's how you become a leftist.

Or a fascist or something.

yep i think we can uh we can end it off there if you want unless you got anything else no tell me what you thought of the debate i'm curious what you thought of the debate oh um yeah i i mean i thought it was i only saw like a couple longer form clips i didn't watch through the entirety of it but i thought the israel thing was pretty funny um i i don't i i can't

comprehend in my mind some of the arguments that Scott makes and how and whether or not he genuinely believes it.

I mean, I guess I'll take him at face value that he believes it.

But like to say with a straight face to Ryan Grimm, I'm assuming he knew who Ryan was going into that.

But to say with a straight face, like you seem to think that it's a bad thing that Israel plays a large role in American politics.

I'm like,

Yeah.

Yes.

That's a bad thing.

I mean, it would be a bad thing for any other country to play a large role in American politics.

I mean, if, you know, if whatever, if Pakistan had a massive influence, if, you know, the Pakistan lobby was funneling hundreds of millions of dollars into the coffers of like 80% of Congress, I would think that's a problem.