Jeremy

But at Charlotte, he was among the worst owners that there have ever been.

In basketball, yes, but I want to get into how it is that Mike is defining owner success because he's doing it differently than I'm used to sports fans doing it.

Never mind Michael Jordan for a second.

We were just talking about Stephen Ross, and he's like, outside of the on-field lack of success, and I thought that was the measurement.

He's giving him credit for trying to cheat.

But isn't that the sole prism, though?

Isn't that the sole measurement?

Yeah, but that's not the measurement.

Did you make the franchise go up in value?

But that's the business, Dan.

But it's just one of the variables that we're talking about here.

One of the worst owners in the history of South Florida sports.

Maybe the worst.

Jeffrey Loria was terrible in meddlesome ways that were incompetent, but did win a championship.

Jeffrey Loria was also cheap, but I thought...

That the measurement of an owner, the way that it's measured is, is there any success?

Is the way that he's leading resulting in any success?

And no playoff wins, to me, is where...

James Dolan gets criticized for everything that he's done for the Knicks and gets no credit for what he's done for the Rangers because the Knicks haven't had any success and he's meddlesome and a bad owner.

You're saying Stephen Ross does business well.