Jerod Santo

Good point. I mean, I think the autonomy and the ability to move quickly and not have to convince others of your ideas is to me highly desirable in any software project. So I 100% understand why you went that way. And your take on JavaScript is on point. There's been two recent rankings released, one from IEEE Spectrum.

Good point. I mean, I think the autonomy and the ability to move quickly and not have to convince others of your ideas is to me highly desirable in any software project. So I 100% understand why you went that way. And your take on JavaScript is on point. There's been two recent rankings released, one from IEEE Spectrum.

which had JS, I think it was one or two, maybe Python was one, JavaScript was two, in terms of surveyed from their readership. But then TypeScript was like five or six. So if you combine those two, which I mean, come on, you might as well just combine those two, cleared them one. And so there's academia right there. And then you go to industry.

which had JS, I think it was one or two, maybe Python was one, JavaScript was two, in terms of surveyed from their readership. But then TypeScript was like five or six. So if you combine those two, which I mean, come on, you might as well just combine those two, cleared them one. And so there's academia right there. And then you go to industry.

RedMonk recently did their rankings this year, top 20 languages. in use in industry, according to their tech, you know, their methodologies. I'm not sure what the methodologies are, but you got jobs for number one and then TypeScript is down there at five or six. And so imagine how number one, number one gets, if you just combine those two.

RedMonk recently did their rankings this year, top 20 languages. in use in industry, according to their tech, you know, their methodologies. I'm not sure what the methodologies are, but you got jobs for number one and then TypeScript is down there at five or six. And so imagine how number one, number one gets, if you just combine those two.

So going back to Deno as different from Node from this project, we'll definitely get to Deno too, so bear with me. But here's a thought that I had. Deno is different insofar as it's a startup, right? This is a business, and that's different and new. That constraint informs a lot of decisions, I'm sure. How has that constraint helped Deno as a project over the seven years of its inception?

So going back to Deno as different from Node from this project, we'll definitely get to Deno too, so bear with me. But here's a thought that I had. Deno is different insofar as it's a startup, right? This is a business, and that's different and new. That constraint informs a lot of decisions, I'm sure. How has that constraint helped Deno as a project over the seven years of its inception?

Is that no re-license thing, is that formalized in any way? I mean, I feel like there should be some sort of like no rug pull clause somewhere or somehow in a way that you can't just say, well, I, Ryan Dahl, say that it's never going to happen. You're like, sure, that's great.

Is that no re-license thing, is that formalized in any way? I mean, I feel like there should be some sort of like no rug pull clause somewhere or somehow in a way that you can't just say, well, I, Ryan Dahl, say that it's never going to happen. You're like, sure, that's great.

But then what happens if somebody else runs the company or you get, I'm sure there's a board of directors, maybe you get excised as the CEO and the next guy comes in and says, well, we're re-licensing to Fair Source or something else.

But then what happens if somebody else runs the company or you get, I'm sure there's a board of directors, maybe you get excised as the CEO and the next guy comes in and says, well, we're re-licensing to Fair Source or something else.

So, yeah, I mean, well, you haven't pulled the mask off and said muahaha in the last seven years. So I expect, you know, more of the same in terms of, ah, I'm now relicensing and everything I do in the future is going to go against everything I've said in the past. It's just, there's, there's good intentions. And then we have

So, yeah, I mean, well, you haven't pulled the mask off and said muahaha in the last seven years. So I expect, you know, more of the same in terms of, ah, I'm now relicensing and everything I do in the future is going to go against everything I've said in the past. It's just, there's, there's good intentions. And then we have

over time change in organizational structures, it seems that usually changes what ultimately leads to a relicensing in the future. So I'm always curious if people have thought about how to somehow just formalize their intentions, maybe even if just saying out loud is sometimes all you can do.

over time change in organizational structures, it seems that usually changes what ultimately leads to a relicensing in the future. So I'm always curious if people have thought about how to somehow just formalize their intentions, maybe even if just saying out loud is sometimes all you can do.

Yeah, I do think that's the best model so far for the style of software that you're building. Of course, different types of open source, I think, lend themselves to different models.

Yeah, I do think that's the best model so far for the style of software that you're building. Of course, different types of open source, I think, lend themselves to different models.

Well, you know, the old saying, no good deed goes unpunished and it's doubly true on the internet. I mean, you are going to be criticized if you go left and you're gonna be criticized if you go right. And that's just kind of how it works.

Well, you know, the old saying, no good deed goes unpunished and it's doubly true on the internet. I mean, you are going to be criticized if you go left and you're gonna be criticized if you go right. And that's just kind of how it works.