Jerod

And I think that there's definitely ways where we could increase the amount of community discussion around the shows by deeply integrating into Zulip versus what we have been doing previously, which is some of the ideas being tossed around in our community. channel about sharing certain channels publicly and allowing people to lurk.

And I think that there's definitely ways where we could increase the amount of community discussion around the shows by deeply integrating into Zulip versus what we have been doing previously, which is some of the ideas being tossed around in our community. channel about sharing certain channels publicly and allowing people to lurk.

Yes, allowing people to lurk, sign up, integrating the actual comments of our episodes into that directly, the discussion. So yeah, there's a lot of opportunities for nerdery and tomfoolery that previously were kind of just, they were non-starters because you were just deepening a relationship with an entity that you really couldn't go deeper in any sort of communal way. It was like,

Yes, allowing people to lurk, sign up, integrating the actual comments of our episodes into that directly, the discussion. So yeah, there's a lot of opportunities for nerdery and tomfoolery that previously were kind of just, they were non-starters because you were just deepening a relationship with an entity that you really couldn't go deeper in any sort of communal way. It was like,

What are those barnacles on top of the whale? We like just a little bit bigger barnacle, you know, living off this whale.

What are those barnacles on top of the whale? We like just a little bit bigger barnacle, you know, living off this whale.

Well, we're not their customer either. We're not who they're optimizing for. No. And I don't think that, and so I suppose now that this thought has come into my mind in this moment, the only hesitation or reservation I have is the uncertainty of their future, which is not to say that I think their future is uncertain. Whereas Slack, maybe it's the same.

Well, we're not their customer either. We're not who they're optimizing for. No. And I don't think that, and so I suppose now that this thought has come into my mind in this moment, the only hesitation or reservation I have is the uncertainty of their future, which is not to say that I think their future is uncertain. Whereas Slack, maybe it's the same.

I mean, geez, products die every day and they get deprecated. So yeah, exactly. Who knows? Even though they've got maybe more deeper pockets or... Way deeper. Yeah, whatever. I think my only concern with Zulip is that reservation of how will they persevere?

I mean, geez, products die every day and they get deprecated. So yeah, exactly. Who knows? Even though they've got maybe more deeper pockets or... Way deeper. Yeah, whatever. I think my only concern with Zulip is that reservation of how will they persevere?

I know the team is capable of doing it. Sure, but even if they don't, then it's an open source project that we self-host, and maybe we just don't go deeper than that. We just continue to use it as is. I mean, as is. It's got completely serviceable community chat. Completely serviceable without any changes. Yeah, great point. Obviously, improvements always welcome.

I know the team is capable of doing it. Sure, but even if they don't, then it's an open source project that we self-host, and maybe we just don't go deeper than that. We just continue to use it as is. I mean, as is. It's got completely serviceable community chat. Completely serviceable without any changes. Yeah, great point. Obviously, improvements always welcome.

Well, I guess my reservation came from the fact that while I know it's open source, I'm used to things like we're using in Slack not being open source. And so my brain hasn't said, okay, this is open source. So that reservation can be degraded down to 50% versus 100% reservation. Because that's super cool. I don't know if you listened to the show yet, but I monologued a little bit.

Well, I guess my reservation came from the fact that while I know it's open source, I'm used to things like we're using in Slack not being open source. And so my brain hasn't said, okay, this is open source. So that reservation can be degraded down to 50% versus 100% reservation. Because that's super cool. I don't know if you listened to the show yet, but I monologued a little bit.

I've been doing this a little bit lately in the end of our interview shows. Because I have thoughts and I just started calling it like closing thoughts and stuff. Because I just got thoughts afterwards that I just like reveal. And this one in particular, I talked about potential. And I don't know if you've ever heard me describe potential as kinetic energy stored waiting to be released.

I've been doing this a little bit lately in the end of our interview shows. Because I have thoughts and I just started calling it like closing thoughts and stuff. Because I just got thoughts afterwards that I just like reveal. And this one in particular, I talked about potential. And I don't know if you've ever heard me describe potential as kinetic energy stored waiting to be released.

Because I feel like that's my reservation with Zulip is they have so much potential. And it's not that they haven't achieved greatness by any means. I'm not trying to degrade or downplay the greatness they've done by any means. But I believe they have so much more potential to potentially unseat, not so much fully unseat the giants like Slack or Teams.

Because I feel like that's my reservation with Zulip is they have so much potential. And it's not that they haven't achieved greatness by any means. I'm not trying to degrade or downplay the greatness they've done by any means. But I believe they have so much more potential to potentially unseat, not so much fully unseat the giants like Slack or Teams.

But when you look at the feature set that people really want, I feel like Zulip's got it. What they don't have, and we talked about this on the show, is the awareness. And something's got to change there. And that's where my uncertainty for them comes. It's like, you've got to figure out how to market. You can't be the best unknown tool in the marketplace. Right. Something's got to change there.

But when you look at the feature set that people really want, I feel like Zulip's got it. What they don't have, and we talked about this on the show, is the awareness. And something's got to change there. And that's where my uncertainty for them comes. It's like, you've got to figure out how to market. You can't be the best unknown tool in the marketplace. Right. Something's got to change there.