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And I don't know if it's dollars spent, but something's got to change with their, their GTN, their go to market strategy, how they talk about them, their awareness. Firefox famously get Firefox. We've lamented on this in positive and negative ways over the years. Like they did all that grassroots stuff with a very shoestring budget. Zulip can do something similar, I believe.

And I don't know if it's dollars spent, but something's got to change with their, their GTN, their go to market strategy, how they talk about them, their awareness. Firefox famously get Firefox. We've lamented on this in positive and negative ways over the years. Like they did all that grassroots stuff with a very shoestring budget. Zulip can do something similar, I believe.

And that's where my reservation comes is like, they've got so much kinetic energy stored waiting to be released, this potential. And I want to see them do that.

And that's where my reservation comes is like, they've got so much kinetic energy stored waiting to be released, this potential. And I want to see them do that.

Well, perhaps in the spirit of open source, we can also help them do that. I think our adoption would be Useful in that sense. Let's talk about some other things going on. Of course, with open source companies, you're always afraid of a rug pull as we've experienced many of holes, especially of late. How about this?

Well, perhaps in the spirit of open source, we can also help them do that. I think our adoption would be Useful in that sense. Let's talk about some other things going on. Of course, with open source companies, you're always afraid of a rug pull as we've experienced many of holes, especially of late. How about this?

I'm calling it the reverse rug pull in which they, I don't know, put the rug back elastic, elastic search open source. Once again, how about this reverse rug pull? So cool. That might be going a bit far, because it does imply that you have rug pulled in the past. So you were already not cool, and now you're putting the rug back.

I'm calling it the reverse rug pull in which they, I don't know, put the rug back elastic, elastic search open source. Once again, how about this reverse rug pull? So cool. That might be going a bit far, because it does imply that you have rug pulled in the past. So you were already not cool, and now you're putting the rug back.

So I don't know if it's so cool, because the better thing is just leave the rug where it was. It really held the room together. Sure.

So I don't know if it's so cool, because the better thing is just leave the rug where it was. It really held the room together. Sure.

That rug really tied the room together, did it not?

That rug really tied the room together, did it not?

But yes, much cooler than the rug pull. We don't want to talk too much about this because we are talking with Shea Bannon, CTO of Elastic, soon, this month. He's coming on interviews for the deep dive. But yeah, Elasticsearch.com. Opened back up again. Went full OSI-approved AGPL license. And Shay's pretty excited, as you can just read into his announcement post from August the 29th.

But yes, much cooler than the rug pull. We don't want to talk too much about this because we are talking with Shea Bannon, CTO of Elastic, soon, this month. He's coming on interviews for the deep dive. But yeah, Elasticsearch.com. Opened back up again. Went full OSI-approved AGPL license. And Shay's pretty excited, as you can just read into his announcement post from August the 29th.

And we're excited too, right? I mean, you called it so cool, so you must be for this move.

And we're excited too, right? I mean, you called it so cool, so you must be for this move.

Well, it was just a saying. I don't know if I have that belief yet. The jury is still out for me. So when I read his words, I can read between the lines and hear the sentiment of positivity. Like he seems to be very excited. Yeah. His roots in terms of how Elastic was born was Hacker. And I think I was reading over on InfoWorld from our... Friend of the show, I suppose. Matt Asay.

Well, it was just a saying. I don't know if I have that belief yet. The jury is still out for me. So when I read his words, I can read between the lines and hear the sentiment of positivity. Like he seems to be very excited. Yeah. His roots in terms of how Elastic was born was Hacker. And I think I was reading over on InfoWorld from our... Friend of the show, I suppose. Matt Asay.

Is that how you say his last name? It's either Asay or Asay. Asay. Matt Asay. And he, I'm going to paraphrase, but he talked about Bannon's, Shea Bannon's, initiation of Elastic was he personally paid for the trademark for Elastic to protect his work. He was the developer making it. In an apartment, I think in New York City.

Is that how you say his last name? It's either Asay or Asay. Asay. Matt Asay. And he, I'm going to paraphrase, but he talked about Bannon's, Shea Bannon's, initiation of Elastic was he personally paid for the trademark for Elastic to protect his work. He was the developer making it. In an apartment, I think in New York City.