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And so very much like the stories we all hear about, which is why I'm kind of leaning back towards this so cool aspect. Because we all have dreams when we produce works in the world, our art. Sometimes it's code, sometimes it's pixels, sometimes it's both.

And so very much like the stories we all hear about, which is why I'm kind of leaning back towards this so cool aspect. Because we all have dreams when we produce works in the world, our art. Sometimes it's code, sometimes it's pixels, sometimes it's both.

And I believe that in a position which we may not have fully agreed with and we can argue and have argued and have done shows on with the Elastic versus AWS scenario, that you've got to do sometimes what you've got to do. And we may not agree that, hey, let's now go closed source to protect Elastic. but I can at least respect their choice to do so.

And I believe that in a position which we may not have fully agreed with and we can argue and have argued and have done shows on with the Elastic versus AWS scenario, that you've got to do sometimes what you've got to do. And we may not agree that, hey, let's now go closed source to protect Elastic. but I can at least respect their choice to do so.

I may not agree with it, but I can at least respect that they've had the fortitude to do so. And now to be in a position, the same hacker that made it initially, when you read his post on it, you can tell he's excited. You can tell that he's got joy writing the words and revealing this and going back to an OSI approved AGPL license.

I may not agree with it, but I can at least respect that they've had the fortitude to do so. And now to be in a position, the same hacker that made it initially, when you read his post on it, you can tell he's excited. You can tell that he's got joy writing the words and revealing this and going back to an OSI approved AGPL license.

And at least there is now a trajectory now for a, as he says, more open source in the world.

And at least there is now a trajectory now for a, as he says, more open source in the world.

Yeah, I agree. Obviously we have questions, which is why we invited him on the show to talk. One of the main things I want to ask him about is he asserts in his post that their move was successful. Like that was a successful thing they did despite him not wanting to do it. And now it's provided this opportunity to go back and And I would love to get that all out in the open.

Yeah, I agree. Obviously we have questions, which is why we invited him on the show to talk. One of the main things I want to ask him about is he asserts in his post that their move was successful. Like that was a successful thing they did despite him not wanting to do it. And now it's provided this opportunity to go back and And I would love to get that all out in the open.

How did it find success? How do they know it's successful? Because we recently covered RedMonk's analysis of open source rug pulls and whether or not they've been worth it. And to the best of her ability, I think it was Rachel Stevens over there at RedMonk, did the analysis on a bunch of at least publicly traded rug pulls so that you can get the data.

How did it find success? How do they know it's successful? Because we recently covered RedMonk's analysis of open source rug pulls and whether or not they've been worth it. And to the best of her ability, I think it was Rachel Stevens over there at RedMonk, did the analysis on a bunch of at least publicly traded rug pulls so that you can get the data.

And she couldn't find any correlation between actually any sort of meteoric rise after the license change, especially ones that have been out there for a while, including Elastic. So that's an interesting thing. And we'll be talking with him soon to our listener. If you have specific questions, lines of thought, conversation that you'd like us to broach with Elastic CTO Shea Bannon, definitely,

And she couldn't find any correlation between actually any sort of meteoric rise after the license change, especially ones that have been out there for a while, including Elastic. So that's an interesting thing. And we'll be talking with him soon to our listener. If you have specific questions, lines of thought, conversation that you'd like us to broach with Elastic CTO Shea Bannon, definitely,

let us know in Slack and Zulip. I don't know. Email editors at changelog.com. It's probably the safest place right now, unless you're already in our Slack or already in our Zulip, then just go ahead and use what you're already doing. That works.

let us know in Slack and Zulip. I don't know. Email editors at changelog.com. It's probably the safest place right now, unless you're already in our Slack or already in our Zulip, then just go ahead and use what you're already doing. That works.

I was just thinking, as you were suggesting that if they were going to pile on or start a new in Zulip, where would it happen at? You know, that's the, that is the challenge not to go back there, but that's the challenge of like, where does that live? Does it live in general under a topic called shows? Does it live under change law podcast? That isn't a channel yet. That will be a channel soon.

I was just thinking, as you were suggesting that if they were going to pile on or start a new in Zulip, where would it happen at? You know, that's the, that is the challenge not to go back there, but that's the challenge of like, where does that live? Does it live in general under a topic called shows? Does it live under change law podcast? That isn't a channel yet. That will be a channel soon.

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