Jess Fisher

And then we've got Coral and then we've got Marie and Coral and Marie sort of duke it out for villain of the year.

I found it really cool that especially Solomon and Rose and Ned also there are villains that also have such complex reasoning for why they're doing what they're doing and kind of heartbreaking reasoning, too.

What was it like to write so many villains and have so many twists?

I did not see that betrayal come.

And I also didn't see Coral's betrayal of Marie coming.

Y'all write some really interesting villains.

Where does that start from?

Is there a rule that villains should be complex or not just evil?

Yeah, I do like that moment.

You can feel like Coral fights back.

I really like that moment.

It's really scary.

Yes, but Marie might be my new favorite villain.

I really like her.

Very, very possible.

Maybe it's evil person with accent.

That's my thing.

Yeah.

You kind of see her, especially even through season one, as the potential savior.

And then her twist in season two was very exciting as well.